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This will be one of the most important studies that you will read on the subject of the pre-trib doctrine and what it is, take the time and the truth will set you free!


We the remnant of God do not agree with all that brother Benson has to say in his study, and that will be with the fact according to brother Benson that the Christians are the remnant of God and this all the while God cut out the branches from the Natural Olive Tree and grafted in the branches from the wild olive tree into the Natural Olive Tree, we pray that brother Benson was wrong for only a short season. With this said the rest of the study is spot on to say the least.


Mr. Benson teaches a post-tribulation rapture at his website (https://paulbensonsite.wordpress.com/) and in this module. Though this teaching would not be in agreement with mine (I am pre-trib), post-trib theology is still Pre-Millennial, which is widely considered conservative and evangelical.

I am not familiar with "remnant of God" theology. The above note, though, about being in overall disagreement with Benson's theology (other than being anti pre-trib), suggests that "remnant of God" theology is not historically conservative nor evangelical.
Thank you DoctorDaveT for your interest and with that said please feel free to download the module "1) Who is the remnant of God today?" and this will answer your question. You could send us and email should you need more clarification after reading the short module, thank you for your time.
I believe that Mr. Benson is dead wrong, I believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture because it is supported by the Holy Scriptures. Please see the following on the Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Dispensationalism and a biblical worldview,

How Some Christian Leaders Deceive The Church About The Rapture (Part 1)
https://www.rockofof.../norapture.html

How Some Christian Leaders Deceive The Church About The Rapture (Part 2)
https://www.rockofof...norapture2.html

How Some Christian Leaders Deceive The Church About The Rapture (Part 3)
https://www.rockofof...norapture3.html

The Fundamental Doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/fundamental_doctrine_of_the_pre-tribulatino_rapture.php

Key Bible Passages on the Pre-Tribulation Rapture
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/key_bible_passages_on_the_pre-tribulation_rapture.php

The Resurrection’s Mystery - The Rapture
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/resurrections_mystery_the_rapture.php

When Was the Pre-Tribulation Rapture First Taught?
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/when_was_the_pre_tribulation_rapture_taught.html

I Will Keep Thee From the Hour of Temptation
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/i_will_keep_thee_from_temptation.php

The Rapture and Jewish Feasts
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/the-rapture-and-jewish-feasts.php

Hating the Rapture
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/hating_the_rapture.html

Another Church Enters the Post-Tribulational Wilderness
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/another_church_enters_post-tributional_wilderness.php

Further Warning About Grace Baptist
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/a_further_warning_about_grace_baptist.php

The Normal-Literal Method of Interpretation vs. Allegoricalism
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/the-normal-literal-method-of-interpretation.php

Study the Bible Dispensationally
https://www.wayoflife.org/database/study_bible_dispensationally.html

A Biblical Worldview and Good Mental Health
https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/a_biblical_worldview_and_good_mental_health.php
@dmagill: Thank you for adding your links but if you have read the book of brother Benson then you would see that what is given as evidence in your links have been proven Biblically inaccurate by brother Benson in his book, so therefore address what is in the book and disprove it Biblically and say verbatim where brother Benson is in error. I have noticed that in the link of Rock of Offense both the KJV and the NKJV are quoted, please take the time to download and read http://www.wordmodul...he-holy-bible/.

Once again thank you for your time!
Remnant you are wrong, if you actually study the Bible using a literal interpretation and keep in mind that the remnant are Jewish believers in Messiah and not gentile believers, and if you make a proper distinction between Isra'el and the church you will see that what is taught in those articles is totally biblical. I take it from your response though that you have not read any of the articles at the links that I posted. How do I knoe that the Ekklesia/Kehilat of Messiah will not be here during the tribulation, well because God says so in His Holy word,

Here is an excerpt from a letter I wrote my Rabbi, I attend a Messianic Jewish Kehilat,

"I have done some research on the Pre-Trib Rapture and I have found some excellent articles on the topic of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture (the catching up to the clouds of all true born again believers in Messiah before the start of the Tribulation).

1 Thess 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [KJV]

1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [KJV]

1 Thess 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [KJV]

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [KJV]

1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [KJV]

1 Thess 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. [KJV]

So How do I know the Rapture will happen before the Tribulation, well because it is during the Tribulation that God will pour out His fire and wrath upon the Earth, it is also the time in which the people of the Earth will face powerful temptation, the temptation to take the Mark of the Beast to avoid being murdered by the Antichrist for refusing the Mark of the Beast. However God has promised those of us who have believed in and trusted in His only begotten Son The Lord Jesus The Messiah, that we will not suffer His wrath. See the following verses of scripture to see that it is true.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do. [KJV]

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. [KJV]

Here is an excerpt from David W. Cloud’s article called “The Fundamental Doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture”,

The Bible’s Description of the Rapture

It is often said that the word “rapture” does not appear in the Bible, but that’s not true. It does appear in the Latin Bibles that were widely used for nearly 2,000 years. Rapturo is the Latin translation for “caught up” in 1 Th. 4:17. The Greek is harpázo. It means “to snatch away” and is translated “pluck them out” (Joh. 10:28, 29). It is used in Acts 8:39 of the Spirit of God snatching away Philip after the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch and in 2 Co. 12:2, 4 of Paul being caught up to heaven.

There are two major passages that describe the Rapture:
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-58.

In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 harpazo is translated as “caught up” in the KJV, that same Greek word would be translated into Latin as rapturo.

Here is another excerpt from another one of David W. Cloud’s articles called “When Was the Pre-Tribulation Rapture First Taught?”,

EPHRAEM THE SYRIAN (AD c. 303-373)

We now go back to two centuries after the apostles. Ephraem is venerated as a “saint” by the Catholic and Orthodox churches, but they would not allow him to teach his doctrine of prophecy today.

Ephraem is called “the Syrian” because he lived in that region.

He was a voluminous writer. Many of his sermons and psalms are included in the 16-volume
Post-Nicene Library. (The Council of Nicea was held in AD 325, and historians divide the “fathers” into Ante-Nicene, before 325, and Post-Nicene, after 325).

Some of Ephraem’s sermons and hymns are used in the liturgy of Orthodox churches.

In the 1990s some of Ephraem’s writings were translated into English for the first time, one of these being
On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, A.D. 373.

The translation was done by Professor Cameron Rhoades of Tyndale Theological Seminary at the bequest of Grant R. Jeffrey. It was subsequently published in Jeffrey’s 1995 book
Final Warning.

It is obvious that Ephraem believed in a literal fulfillment of prophecy, including a Rapture of New Testament saints prior to the Tribulation.

For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins(Ephraem the Syrian, On the Last Times).

Observe that Ephraem taught that the saints will be taken to the Lord so they will not see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world, which is exactly what
1 Thessalonians 5:3-9 says.

Ephraem taught a literal antichrist who will sit in a literal rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, a literal 3.5 year Tribulation, a literal Two Witnesses or prophets who will preach in Jerusalem, a literal battle of Gog and Magog.

“And when the three and a half years have been completed, the time of the Antichrist, through which he will have seduced the world, after the resurrection of the two prophets, in the hour which the world does not know, and on the day which the enemy or son of perdition does not know, will come the sign of the Son of Man, and coming forward the Lord shall appear with great power and much majesty, with the sign of the word of salvation going before him, and also even with all the powers of the heavens with the whole chorus of the saints. ... Then Christ shall come and the enemy shall be thrown into confusion, and the Lord shall destroy him by the Spirit of his mouth. And he shall be bound and shall be plunged into the abyss of everlasting fire alive with his father Satan; and all people, who do his wishes, shall perish with him forever; but the righteous ones shall inherit everlasting life with the Lord for ever and ever” (Ephraem the Syrian,
On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, A.D. 373).

Ephraem believed in the imminency of the return of Christ and urged Christians to live godly lives in expectation of His return.
”"

Please read the articles at the links I shared in my first post above.
Also see,

https://davidjeremia...is-the-rapture/
https://davidjeremia...-disappearance/

However if after reading everything I have posted you still insist on believing anti-Rapture false teaching, then you go ahead and stay here and endure the horrors of the Great Tribulation, I however will be going up to the clouds to meat the Lord in the air.
I am not happy that this comment engine has shrunk sections of my posts down to a size that you cannot even read, they weren't that small in my word processor.
Here is that post again, I made it very large in my word processor, hopefully this comment engine won't shrink it again.

I have done some research on the Pre-Trib Rapture and I have found some excellent articles on the topic of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture (the catching up to the clouds of all true born again believers in Messiah before the start of the Tribulation).

1 Thess 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [KJV]

1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [KJV]

1 Thess 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [KJV]

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [KJV]

1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [KJV]

1 Thess 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. [KJV]

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord. [KJV]

So How do I know the Rapture will happen before the Tribulation, well because it is during the Tribulation that God will pour out His fire and wrath upon the Earth, it is also the time in which the people of the Earth will face powerful temptation, the temptation to take the Mark of the Beast to avoid being murdered by the Antichrist for refusing the Mark of the Beast. However God has promised those of us who have believed in and trusted in His only begotten Son The Lord Jesus The Messiah, that we will not suffer His wrath. See the following verses of scripture to see that it is true.

1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. [KJV]

1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do. [KJV]

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. [KJV]

Here is an excerpt from David W. Cloud’s article called “The Fundamental Doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture”,

The Bible’s Description of the Rapture

It is often said that the word “rapture” does not appear in the Bible, but that’s not true. It does appear in the Latin Bibles that were widely used for nearly 2,000 years. Rapturo is the Latin translation for “caught up” in 1 Th. 4:17. The Greek is harpázo. It means “to snatch away” and is translated “pluck them out” (Joh. 10:28, 29). It is used in Acts 8:39 of the Spirit of God snatching away Philip after the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch and in 2 Co. 12:2, 4 of Paul being caught up to heaven.

There are two major passages that describe the Rapture:
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-58.

In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 harpazo is translated as “caught up” in the KJV, that same Greek word would be translated into Latin as rapturo.

Here is another excerpt from another one of David W. Cloud’s articles called “When Was the Pre-Tribulation Rapture First Taught?”,

EPHRAEM THE SYRIAN (AD c. 303-373)

We now go back to two centuries after the apostles. Ephraem is venerated as a “saint” by the Catholic and Orthodox churches, but they would not allow him to teach his doctrine of prophecy today.

Ephraem is called “the Syrian” because he lived in that region.

He was a voluminous writer. Many of his sermons and psalms are included in the 16-volume
Post-Nicene Library. (The Council of Nicea was held in AD 325, and historians divide the “fathers” into Ante-Nicene, before 325, and Post-Nicene, after 325).

Some of Ephraem’s sermons and hymns are used in the liturgy of Orthodox churches.

In the 1990s some of Ephraem’s writings were translated into English for the first time, one of these being
On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, A.D. 373.

The translation was done by Professor Cameron Rhoades of Tyndale Theological Seminary at the bequest of Grant R. Jeffrey. It was subsequently published in Jeffrey’s 1995 book
Final Warning.

It is obvious that Ephraem believed in a literal fulfillment of prophecy, including a Rapture of New Testament saints prior to the Tribulation.

For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins” (Ephraem the Syrian, On the Last Times).

Observe that Ephraem taught that the saints will be taken to the Lord so they will not see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world, which is exactly what
1 Thessalonians 5:3-9 says.

Ephraem taught a literal antichrist who will sit in a literal rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, a literal 3.5 year Tribulation, a literal Two Witnesses or prophets who will preach in Jerusalem, a literal battle of Gog and Magog.

“And when the three and a half years have been completed, the time of the Antichrist, through which he will have seduced the world, after the resurrection of the two prophets, in the hour which the world does not know, and on the day which the enemy or son of perdition does not know, will come the sign of the Son of Man, and coming forward the Lord shall appear with great power and much majesty, with the sign of the word of salvation going before him, and also even with all the powers of the heavens with the whole chorus of the saints. ... Then Christ shall come and the enemy shall be thrown into confusion, and the Lord shall destroy him by the Spirit of his mouth. And he shall be bound and shall be plunged into the abyss of everlasting fire alive with his father Satan; and all people, who do his wishes, shall perish with him forever; but the righteous ones shall inherit everlasting life with the Lord for ever and ever” (Ephraem the Syrian,
On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, A.D. 373).

Ephraem believed in the imminency of the return of Christ and urged Christians to live godly lives in expectation of His return.
@dmagill: Thank you again for your reply, but you have not shown where brother Benson is in error. You quote from the KJV but when it comes to the "Rapture" you refer to the Latin bibles that has been used for 2000 years. You also refer to "EPHRAEM THE SYRIAN (AD c. 303-373)" and to David W. Cloud, Professor Cameron Rhoades and Grant R. Jeffrey as sources for the pre-trib rapture, well all that you have listed is waylaid in brother Benson's study and you have not touched upon that. I've noticed that you did not download the module in question and therefore assume that you have the book available from another source so you could show where brother Benson is in error.

We are all allowed our opinions but none of us are allowed to change the truth for the Word of God is truth and sanctifies us John 17:17 (KJV) and we need no man to explain the truth to us for the Word of God the Bible (Textus Receptus) makes the men of God perfect 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV) and the Holy Ghost of God will teach you all things John 14:26 (KJV) and we therefore believe on God as the truth and on His Word as the truth and on His Holy Ghost to teach us and will not be part of changing His truth for God has warned us should we do so!

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (KJV)
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (KJV)

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (KJV)

Now there is a great danger if we do not retain God in our knowledge, and when you look at the state of the world around us today it is clear that man has not retained God in his knowledge as we see the decay and debauchery all around us that comes from a reprobate mind as made clear to us in the Word of God Romans 1:24-27 (KJV).

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

When we deal with the truth of God there is no place for high-mindedness for if we are high-minded the above will be our future and it is salvation for ever that we play with. I pray that God through His Word, and bringing you to the truth of God through His Holy Ghost will sow the truth into your understanding and that the seed sowed will find fertile ground and grow abundantly!

With this I conclude.
Remnant it is you who are changing the truth of the word of God, what I shared is according to the Holy Scriptures, if you cant see that then you are obviously not led by the Holy Spirit and you are spiritually blind.




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