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This will be one of the most important studies that you will read on the subject of the pre-trib doctrine and what it is, take the time and the truth will set you free!
We the remnant of God do not agree with all that brother Benson has to say in his study, and that will be with the fact according to brother Benson that the Christians are the remnant of God and this all the while God cut out the branches from the Natural Olive Tree and grafted in the branches from the wild olive tree into the Natural Olive Tree, we pray that brother Benson was wrong for only a short season. With this said the rest of the study is spot on to say the least.
I made some typos in one paragraph and since this comment engine does not allow a person to go back and edit their post, I will post a corrected edition of that paragraph,
"Remnant I think your problem is that you are mixing up Isra'el and the Church. The church is not Isra'el, the Jewish People (the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Isra'el) are Isra'el. Jewish people living in the Church age who have trusted in The Lord Jesus The Messiah are part of the Ekklesia (Church) of Messiah and will be going in the Rapture, it is only unbelieving Jews and Gentiles that will be left behind and many of these unbelieving Jews and Gentiles will come to believe in Jesus during the Great Tribulation, in fact the book of revelation says that God will place His seal on the foreheads of 144,000 of the twelve tribes of Isra'el,"
"Remnant I think your problem is that you are mixing up Isra'el and the Church. The church is not Isra'el, the Jewish People (the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Isra'el) are Isra'el. Jewish people living in the Church age who have trusted in The Lord Jesus The Messiah are part of the Ekklesia (Church) of Messiah and will be going in the Rapture, it is only unbelieving Jews and Gentiles that will be left behind and many of these unbelieving Jews and Gentiles will come to believe in Jesus during the Great Tribulation, in fact the book of revelation says that God will place His seal on the foreheads of 144,000 of the twelve tribes of Isra'el,"
Remnant here are the same verses of Scripture from the TLV (Tree of Life Version),
1Th 4:13 Now we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you may not grieve like the rest who have no hope. [TLV]
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Yeshua died and rose again, so with Him God will also bring those who have fallen asleep in Yeshua. [TLV]
1Th 4:15 For this we tell you, by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall in no way precede those who are asleep. [TLV]
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself shall come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the blast of God’s shofar, and the dead in Messiah shall rise first. [TLV]
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left behind, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air—and so we shall always be with the Lord. [TLV]
1Th 4:18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. [TLV]
1Th 1:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Yeshua, the One delivering us from the coming wrath. [TLV]
1Th 5:9 For God did not destine us for wrath but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. [TLV]
1Th 5:10 He died for us so that, whether we may be awake or asleep, we may live together with Him. [TLV]
Rev 3:10 “Because you have kept My word about patient endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth. [TLV]
Remnant you cannot escape the truth of the Scriptures, the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is Scriptural and is going to happen and when it does it will happen in the blink of an eye.
Perhaps your issue is that you have not made peace with God yet, if you haven't then I invite you to do so so that you will not be left behind when the Rapture occurs.
Here are some Gospel Tracts to help you learn how to make peace with God and be saved,
God's Simple Plan of Salvation
https://www.wholesom...gospel/gsps.pdf
Anchors of Faith
https://www.wholesom...pdf/anchors.pdf
1Th 4:13 Now we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you may not grieve like the rest who have no hope. [TLV]
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Yeshua died and rose again, so with Him God will also bring those who have fallen asleep in Yeshua. [TLV]
1Th 4:15 For this we tell you, by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall in no way precede those who are asleep. [TLV]
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself shall come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the blast of God’s shofar, and the dead in Messiah shall rise first. [TLV]
1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left behind, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air—and so we shall always be with the Lord. [TLV]
1Th 4:18 Therefore encourage one another with these words. [TLV]
1Th 1:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Yeshua, the One delivering us from the coming wrath. [TLV]
1Th 5:9 For God did not destine us for wrath but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. [TLV]
1Th 5:10 He died for us so that, whether we may be awake or asleep, we may live together with Him. [TLV]
Rev 3:10 “Because you have kept My word about patient endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world to test those who dwell on the earth. [TLV]
Remnant you cannot escape the truth of the Scriptures, the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is Scriptural and is going to happen and when it does it will happen in the blink of an eye.
Perhaps your issue is that you have not made peace with God yet, if you haven't then I invite you to do so so that you will not be left behind when the Rapture occurs.
Here are some Gospel Tracts to help you learn how to make peace with God and be saved,
God's Simple Plan of Salvation
https://www.wholesom...gospel/gsps.pdf
Anchors of Faith
https://www.wholesom...pdf/anchors.pdf
Remnant I only offered you links to gospel tracts because I do not know your heart and so I can only go by your words and your words that you posted about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture are in opposition to the clear message of the Holy Scriptures, therefore I can only conclude that you are either very deceived or you are not born again by the Holy Spirit. It is also clear to me tht you have not read any of the articles about the Pre-Trib rapture at the links that I posted, because it you had you could not come to any other conclusion then that the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is scriptural, unless of course you are deceived and spiritually blinded by demons or you are not born again (regenerated) by the Holy Spirit.
@dmagill: I did not come here to fight or belittle anyone but in love I give you the following, read it intently and carefully. This will be my last response to you as I said I do not wish to fight and nor belittle anyone but give the truth of God as is given to us in His Word.
(Rom 10:9 [KJV])
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(Rom 10:10 [KJV])
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(John 3:5 [KJV])
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(Rom 13:14 [KJV])
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfill] the lusts [thereof].
(Mark 16:16 [KJV])
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
(Gal 3:26 [KJV])
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
(Gal 3:27 [KJV])
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ
(Rom 6:3 [KJV])
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(Rom 6:4 [KJV])
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
(Col 2:12 [KJV])
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
(Acts 2:38 [KJV])
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
(Eph 4:4 [KJV])
[There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
(Eph 4:5 [KJV])
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(Eph 4:6 [KJV])
One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
(Rom 10:9 [KJV])
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(Rom 10:10 [KJV])
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(John 3:5 [KJV])
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(Rom 13:14 [KJV])
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfill] the lusts [thereof].
(Mark 16:16 [KJV])
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
(Gal 3:26 [KJV])
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
(Gal 3:27 [KJV])
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ
(Rom 6:3 [KJV])
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(Rom 6:4 [KJV])
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
(Col 2:12 [KJV])
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
(Acts 2:38 [KJV])
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
(Eph 4:4 [KJV])
[There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
(Eph 4:5 [KJV])
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(Eph 4:6 [KJV])
One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.
Remnant, I think the reason why you and many others reject the Pre-Tribulational Rapture is because of a verse where God speaks of Gathering His elect from the four corners of the Earth.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:23 is about God gathering his chosen people (The Jewish people) who are still living in the nations back to the Land of Israel, just as God prophesised that he would regather His people from the nations, many have returned to Israel already, but the regathering will not be complete until this verse is fulfilled. The point is this verse is not speaking of the church at all, it is speaking of Israel (The Jewish People). People get confused about end times prophecy because they do not make a proper distinction between the Ekklesia (church) of Messiah and Israel, this is because of the false teaching of Replacement Theology where people erroneously think the church has replaced Israel (The Jewish people).
Please see the following article,
https://christinprop...lation-rapture/
https://christinprop...e-trib-rapture/
https://christinprop...new-to-be-true/
https://christinprop...e-under-attack/
https://christinprop...on-the-rapture/
https://christinprop...h-lee-brainard/
https://christinprop...act-or-fiction/
https://christinprop...pture-conflict/
https://christinprop...e-under-attack/
https://christinprop...lation-rapture/
For more on the Pre-Trib Rapture, see https://christinprop...re-Trib+Rapture
Please read all these articles and watch the videos.
If I sounded like I was belittling you it is because I get annoyed when people are stubborn and refuse the truth when it is given to them. That is why there is a saying "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink", this applies to people as well, you can lead people to the truth of God's word but you cannot make them drink it (receive it and accept it).
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:23 is about God gathering his chosen people (The Jewish people) who are still living in the nations back to the Land of Israel, just as God prophesised that he would regather His people from the nations, many have returned to Israel already, but the regathering will not be complete until this verse is fulfilled. The point is this verse is not speaking of the church at all, it is speaking of Israel (The Jewish People). People get confused about end times prophecy because they do not make a proper distinction between the Ekklesia (church) of Messiah and Israel, this is because of the false teaching of Replacement Theology where people erroneously think the church has replaced Israel (The Jewish people).
Please see the following article,
https://christinprop...lation-rapture/
https://christinprop...e-trib-rapture/
https://christinprop...new-to-be-true/
https://christinprop...e-under-attack/
https://christinprop...on-the-rapture/
https://christinprop...h-lee-brainard/
https://christinprop...act-or-fiction/
https://christinprop...pture-conflict/
https://christinprop...e-under-attack/
https://christinprop...lation-rapture/
For more on the Pre-Trib Rapture, see https://christinprop...re-Trib+Rapture
Please read all these articles and watch the videos.
If I sounded like I was belittling you it is because I get annoyed when people are stubborn and refuse the truth when it is given to them. That is why there is a saying "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink", this applies to people as well, you can lead people to the truth of God's word but you cannot make them drink it (receive it and accept it).
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1 Thess 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [KJV]
1 Thess 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [KJV]
1 Thess 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [KJV]
1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [KJV]
1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [KJV]
1 Thess 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. [KJV]
It is easy to se that the Ekklesia (Church) of messiah will not be here during the Great Tribulation, the Holy Scriptures say so,
1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. [KJV]
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, [KJV]
1 Thessalonians 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. [KJV]
Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. [KJV]
The hour of temptation is the Great Tribulation and it is at this time that God will pour out His wrath upon Earth.
So Remnant if you cannot see this then you are blinder then a bat flying backwards. I have not added to the words of God I have only quoted them, you are just not wiling to listen to what God is saying to us so clearly and plainly.
Remnant I think your problem is that you are mixing up Isra'el and the Church, the church is not Isra'el, the Jewish People (the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Isra'el) are Isra'el. Jewish living in the Church age who have trusted in The Lord Jesus The Messiah are part of the Ekklesia (Church) of Messiah and will be going in the Rapture, it is only unbelieving Jews and Gentiles that will be left behind and many of these unbelieving Jews and Gentiles will come to believe in Jesus during the Great Tribulation, in fact he book of revelation says that God will place His seal on the foreheads of 144,000 of the twelve tribes of Isra'el,
Please see the following article about Isra'el and the Church,
Israel and the Church
https://www.hebrew4c...ael/israel.html
See the following about replacement theology,
A Refutation of Replacement Theology
https://www.wayoflif...nt_theology.php
Is God Finished with Israel?
https://www.wayoflif...with-israel.php
Proof Texts of Replacement Theology
https://www.wayoflif...nt-theology.php